The first thing that any beginner-level poker player needs to understand is the different actions of a poker game. The basic actions in a poker game include folding, checking and calling, betting, raising, re-raising, and check-raising, and a skilled poker player will use all of these different actions countless times throughout the course of a game, as knowing how to use each. It's quite challenging to get excited about taxes. But for poker players, this week's podcast has something to be excited about: A clear breakdown of how to pay taxes as a poker player. If you Google for the answer, you'll get lots of conflicting and jumbled advice from a variety of experts and amateurs.
Les gains des joueurs de poker sont-ils imposables ?
Les gains du joueur de poker sont-ils imposables au titre de l'impôt sur les revenus en France ? C'est la question que nous avons soumis récemment à la Direction générale des impôts (DGI) via différents canaux : téléphone, courriel, recherche sur son site Internet 'impots.gouv.fr'..
Si l'on considère la poker comme un jeu de hasard, la réponse est : NON. Sauf circonstances exceptionnelles.
La question précise que nous avons posé aux services de renseignement de la DGI était celle-ci : 'je voudrais jouer au poker dans des cercles de jeux en France, pouvez vous me dire si les gains que je ferai feront l'objet d'une imposition sur les revenus, et si oui, comment peuvent être intégrés mes pertes au jeu ?'
Selon l'administration fiscale, la réponse à cette question fut dans un premier temps la suivante : 'Sauf circonstances exceptionnelles, les gains réalisés à l'occasion de la participation (même habituelle) à des jeux de hasard : loteries, lotos, courses (PMU).. ne sont pas taxés.'
Loteries, lotos, courses (PMU).. Oui, mais le poker ? Nous n'avons pas compliqué la tâche de l'administration (et la nôtre) en lui demandant de préciser si, par poker, on pouvait entendre 'jeu de hasard'. En effet, le poker peut être assimilé à un jeu de hasard si nous lisons bêtement le Code général des impôts (annexe 4, article 126) : 'Sont considérés, en principe, comme jeux de hasard, tous les jeux d'argent qu'il s'agisse de jeux de cartes ou d'autres jeux.' Le poker serait ainsi, 'par principe', un jeu de hasard selon la loi française. Bien. Notons au passage que le terme 'habituelle' a son importance : le caractère répété des gains ne devraient selon toute vraisemblance pas transformer ces gains en 'bénéfices commerçiaux', c'est à dire en revenus perçus en tant que professionnel du jeux.
Nous avons préféré relancer la DGI sur ce point : ces circonstances exceptionnelles, comment ça marche ?
Réponse en trois temps : 'Des circonstances exceptionnelles sont des circonstances de fait qui sont définies dans le cadre d'une vérification approfondie de sitution fiscale ou d'une vérification de comptabilité.'
Mais encore ? 'Des circonstances exceptionnelles sont des circonstances de fait qui sont définies dans le cadre d'une vérification approfondie de situation fiscale ou d'une vérification de comptabilité.'
Gaming machine and gambling expenditure statistics owned and administered by the New Zealand Public Sector by Department of Internal Affairs is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribute 4.0 New Zealand Licence. Data and statistics. Every quarter we collate information about the numbers of venues and gaming machines licensed to each society, in each council area (or territorial authority). This is published along with the relative gaming machine profits, to facilitate the analysis of trends across the gambling sector in New Zealand. These provide useful context for some of the current statistics. In this section Venues operating when Gambling Act was commissioned. Datasets showing lists of societies, venues and numbers of machines in 2001 and 2003 – when the Responsible Gambling Bill was announced, and when it passed into law as the Gambling Act. Venues and gaming. Gambling expenditure. Dataset for Class 4 expenditure by district, as well as annual figures for the four main types of gambling activity – TAB racing and sports betting, NZ Lotteries products, gaming machines (outside casinos) and casino gambling. Key stats - Key stats about any timeframe or area selected. In detail - Dynamic dashboard that allows you to select information you want to see based on time and location. Quarterly by council area (or territorial authority) - Dynamic table that allows you to compare GMP, gaming machines and venues by quarter and TA.
Et quelles sont ces circonstances de fait ? 'Sont, toutefois, imposables au titre de la catégorie des bénéfices non commerciaux, les gains réalisés dans un contexte exceptionnel, c'est-à-dire
lorsque l'aléa normalement inhérent aux jeux de hasard peut être supprimé ou à tout le moins fortement atténué par le parieur.'
Conclusion numéro 1 :
les gains obtenus par le joueur de poker en France, y compris par les joueurs assidus, ne sont pas imposés au titre de l'impôt sur les revenus. Sauf en cas, par exemple, de blanchiment d'argent. Ou de collusion avérée entre plusieurs joueurs au détriment d'autres joueurs à la table.
Conslusion numéro 2 :
en cas de doute, contactez par écrit votre centre des impôts afin qu'il prenne 'position par rapport à votre situation fiscale personnelle'. Cette procédure s'appelle en France le 'rescrit fiscal'. A vos souhaits.
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The first thing that any beginner-level poker player needs to understand is the different actions of a poker game. The basic actions in a poker game include folding, checking and calling, betting, raising, re-raising, and check-raising, and a skilled poker player will use all of these different actions countless times throughout the course of a game, as knowing how to use each of the actions allows a player variability and lets him or her change up the pace and keep opponents on their toes.
While the actions may seem simple enough, mastering them isn't. Many players who have played for years still don't fold often enough or check when they should raise. You can miss out on the chance for larger winnings if you raise right off the bat instead of holding out for a check-raise, and if you raise too often from certain positions, players will soon start to call your bluff. The best thing that you can do for yourself as a poker player is to learn how and when to employ each poker action-- and the best way to do that (after reading our strategy guides, of course) is to practice, practice, practice.
Folding
For some reason, many novice players consider folding a sign of weakness, which is likely part of the reason why they don't fold nearly often enough. Folding is a natural part of any poker game-- if you try to play all the cards that you're dealt, you'll end up losing your money pretty quickly. Instead, you want to focus on your good hands and not waste money on the bad, so if you have a hand or a position that isn't good, you're going to want to fold. If the stakes get too high and you're quite far from having the nut hand, you should fold before you get trapped. Folding just means that you're choosing to bow out of the action for the rest of the hand by tossing your cards in. When you fold, you don't show your cards (as it would give an advantage to anyone who has position on you).
Getting to a point where you can choose whether to fold or play your cards is essential-- in most online games, you only have about 10 seconds to choose. If you're sure that your opponent has a better hand than you do, you should probably fold. No matter how good your hand is, if you know that your opponent's hand will beat yours, fold and get out while you can.
Checking
When you check, you basically pass when other players haven't bid. This can happen either while you're the big blind, when you've already put in the minimum bid and everyone else has done the same or folded, or when you're playing another round and the other players have all checked. Checking is considered a pretty weak move, and some schools of poker thought will tell you that if you have a decent enough hand, you should consider raising instead, as it offers you some protection (by getting less-confident players to fold). This is completely dependent on the situation, however-- raising on a hand where everyone else has checked can leave you vulnerable to a check-raise and leave you pot committed with someone else holding the better hand. Likewise, you can use a check when you have a very strong hand and you're afraid of scaring off other players if you come out raising-- this is a tactic called the check-raise. The main reason that people check is so that they can see the next card for free-- especially if they're on a draw hand, where the value of their hand is dependent on whether or not the right card hits (e.g., missing a card for a straight or flush).
Calling
Calling is a lot like checking in that you're basically passing on an opportunity to bet, but the difference is that you check when no one has bet and you call when someone has. Like checking, calling generally represents weakness or, at the very least, that you're not completely sure of your hand. If an opponent raises and you're sure that you have a better hand, it's better to re-raise (even just a little) to get your opponent to commit more chips. If you re-raise and your opponent calls, then you make more money, and if your opponent folds, then you get the same amount that you would have if you'd just called (but if your opponent is pot-committed, he or she will probably not fold). If your opponent raises and you're not sure about your hand, it's better to fold. Calling is often used like checking-- to get a chance to see the next cards so that you can potentially make a draw or strengthen your hand.
Raising
There are two forms of betting in a game of poker (well, there are a lot of different kinds of bets, but they all come down to variations on these): raising and re-raising.
Something that a lot of novice players overlook is the amount of the bet, and a lot of online poker rooms and casinos only make it easier to miss the mark in this regard. There's a minimum amount that you can bet in any poker game, and this is often set as the default in poker rooms, but betting the minimum doesn't really do much: it doesn't offer a lot of protection (especially with smaller stakes), because other players are generally willing to call a small amount, and it doesn't make for a particularly powerful bluff, as it doesn't convey a lot of confidence. If you're trying to slowly draw money out of other players, this can be useful (if you have the nut hand and want to get as many players pot-committed as possible to increase your win, for instance), and raising the same small amount during every betting phase can confuse your opponents, but you just might cost yourself a potentially bigger win by being conservative.
There's a huge amount of literature devoted to the subject of well-executed raises, and there's a lot of debate about how much you should raise. A common consensus in Texas Hold'em seems to be that when you want to raise before the flop, raise 3-4 times the big blind if there are no callers before you.
Re-raising
When someone places a bet and you then place a higher bet, you've re-raised, a move that indicates that you either have a strong hand or that you're bluffing. Either way, it indicates to opponents that you want them to believe that you have a strong hand. If you think that your opponent is bluffing when he or she raises, and that you have the stronger hand, then a re-raise is in order-- either your opponent will bow out, letting you take the pot, or you can gain the pot through having the stronger hand. Either way, you win.
Rescrit Fiscal Poker Chips
Just as raising presents a conundrum in terms of how much to bet, re-raising is challenging in the same way. Many sources agree that you should re-raise about three times the previous bet, plus any callers. If someone before you bets 300 and there are no callers, you would bet 900. If there was one caller, you would bet 1200 (900 + 300), if there were two callers, you'd bet 1500 (900 + 300 + 300), and so on.
La question précise que nous avons posé aux services de renseignement de la DGI était celle-ci : 'je voudrais jouer au poker dans des cercles de jeux en France, pouvez vous me dire si les gains que je ferai feront l'objet d'une imposition sur les revenus, et si oui, comment peuvent être intégrés mes pertes au jeu ?'
Selon l'administration fiscale, la réponse à cette question fut dans un premier temps la suivante : 'Sauf circonstances exceptionnelles, les gains réalisés à l'occasion de la participation (même habituelle) à des jeux de hasard : loteries, lotos, courses (PMU).. ne sont pas taxés.'
Loteries, lotos, courses (PMU).. Oui, mais le poker ? Nous n'avons pas compliqué la tâche de l'administration (et la nôtre) en lui demandant de préciser si, par poker, on pouvait entendre 'jeu de hasard'. En effet, le poker peut être assimilé à un jeu de hasard si nous lisons bêtement le Code général des impôts (annexe 4, article 126) : 'Sont considérés, en principe, comme jeux de hasard, tous les jeux d'argent qu'il s'agisse de jeux de cartes ou d'autres jeux.' Le poker serait ainsi, 'par principe', un jeu de hasard selon la loi française. Bien. Notons au passage que le terme 'habituelle' a son importance : le caractère répété des gains ne devraient selon toute vraisemblance pas transformer ces gains en 'bénéfices commerçiaux', c'est à dire en revenus perçus en tant que professionnel du jeux.
Nous avons préféré relancer la DGI sur ce point : ces circonstances exceptionnelles, comment ça marche ?
Réponse en trois temps : 'Des circonstances exceptionnelles sont des circonstances de fait qui sont définies dans le cadre d'une vérification approfondie de sitution fiscale ou d'une vérification de comptabilité.'
Mais encore ? 'Des circonstances exceptionnelles sont des circonstances de fait qui sont définies dans le cadre d'une vérification approfondie de situation fiscale ou d'une vérification de comptabilité.'
Gaming machine and gambling expenditure statistics owned and administered by the New Zealand Public Sector by Department of Internal Affairs is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribute 4.0 New Zealand Licence. Data and statistics. Every quarter we collate information about the numbers of venues and gaming machines licensed to each society, in each council area (or territorial authority). This is published along with the relative gaming machine profits, to facilitate the analysis of trends across the gambling sector in New Zealand. These provide useful context for some of the current statistics. In this section Venues operating when Gambling Act was commissioned. Datasets showing lists of societies, venues and numbers of machines in 2001 and 2003 – when the Responsible Gambling Bill was announced, and when it passed into law as the Gambling Act. Venues and gaming. Gambling expenditure. Dataset for Class 4 expenditure by district, as well as annual figures for the four main types of gambling activity – TAB racing and sports betting, NZ Lotteries products, gaming machines (outside casinos) and casino gambling. Key stats - Key stats about any timeframe or area selected. In detail - Dynamic dashboard that allows you to select information you want to see based on time and location. Quarterly by council area (or territorial authority) - Dynamic table that allows you to compare GMP, gaming machines and venues by quarter and TA.
Et quelles sont ces circonstances de fait ? 'Sont, toutefois, imposables au titre de la catégorie des bénéfices non commerciaux, les gains réalisés dans un contexte exceptionnel, c'est-à-dire
lorsque l'aléa normalement inhérent aux jeux de hasard peut être supprimé ou à tout le moins fortement atténué par le parieur.'
Conclusion numéro 1 :
les gains obtenus par le joueur de poker en France, y compris par les joueurs assidus, ne sont pas imposés au titre de l'impôt sur les revenus. Sauf en cas, par exemple, de blanchiment d'argent. Ou de collusion avérée entre plusieurs joueurs au détriment d'autres joueurs à la table.
Conslusion numéro 2 :
en cas de doute, contactez par écrit votre centre des impôts afin qu'il prenne 'position par rapport à votre situation fiscale personnelle'. Cette procédure s'appelle en France le 'rescrit fiscal'. A vos souhaits.
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The first thing that any beginner-level poker player needs to understand is the different actions of a poker game. The basic actions in a poker game include folding, checking and calling, betting, raising, re-raising, and check-raising, and a skilled poker player will use all of these different actions countless times throughout the course of a game, as knowing how to use each of the actions allows a player variability and lets him or her change up the pace and keep opponents on their toes.
While the actions may seem simple enough, mastering them isn't. Many players who have played for years still don't fold often enough or check when they should raise. You can miss out on the chance for larger winnings if you raise right off the bat instead of holding out for a check-raise, and if you raise too often from certain positions, players will soon start to call your bluff. The best thing that you can do for yourself as a poker player is to learn how and when to employ each poker action-- and the best way to do that (after reading our strategy guides, of course) is to practice, practice, practice.
Folding
For some reason, many novice players consider folding a sign of weakness, which is likely part of the reason why they don't fold nearly often enough. Folding is a natural part of any poker game-- if you try to play all the cards that you're dealt, you'll end up losing your money pretty quickly. Instead, you want to focus on your good hands and not waste money on the bad, so if you have a hand or a position that isn't good, you're going to want to fold. If the stakes get too high and you're quite far from having the nut hand, you should fold before you get trapped. Folding just means that you're choosing to bow out of the action for the rest of the hand by tossing your cards in. When you fold, you don't show your cards (as it would give an advantage to anyone who has position on you).
Getting to a point where you can choose whether to fold or play your cards is essential-- in most online games, you only have about 10 seconds to choose. If you're sure that your opponent has a better hand than you do, you should probably fold. No matter how good your hand is, if you know that your opponent's hand will beat yours, fold and get out while you can.
Checking
When you check, you basically pass when other players haven't bid. This can happen either while you're the big blind, when you've already put in the minimum bid and everyone else has done the same or folded, or when you're playing another round and the other players have all checked. Checking is considered a pretty weak move, and some schools of poker thought will tell you that if you have a decent enough hand, you should consider raising instead, as it offers you some protection (by getting less-confident players to fold). This is completely dependent on the situation, however-- raising on a hand where everyone else has checked can leave you vulnerable to a check-raise and leave you pot committed with someone else holding the better hand. Likewise, you can use a check when you have a very strong hand and you're afraid of scaring off other players if you come out raising-- this is a tactic called the check-raise. The main reason that people check is so that they can see the next card for free-- especially if they're on a draw hand, where the value of their hand is dependent on whether or not the right card hits (e.g., missing a card for a straight or flush).
Calling
Calling is a lot like checking in that you're basically passing on an opportunity to bet, but the difference is that you check when no one has bet and you call when someone has. Like checking, calling generally represents weakness or, at the very least, that you're not completely sure of your hand. If an opponent raises and you're sure that you have a better hand, it's better to re-raise (even just a little) to get your opponent to commit more chips. If you re-raise and your opponent calls, then you make more money, and if your opponent folds, then you get the same amount that you would have if you'd just called (but if your opponent is pot-committed, he or she will probably not fold). If your opponent raises and you're not sure about your hand, it's better to fold. Calling is often used like checking-- to get a chance to see the next cards so that you can potentially make a draw or strengthen your hand.
Raising
There are two forms of betting in a game of poker (well, there are a lot of different kinds of bets, but they all come down to variations on these): raising and re-raising.
Something that a lot of novice players overlook is the amount of the bet, and a lot of online poker rooms and casinos only make it easier to miss the mark in this regard. There's a minimum amount that you can bet in any poker game, and this is often set as the default in poker rooms, but betting the minimum doesn't really do much: it doesn't offer a lot of protection (especially with smaller stakes), because other players are generally willing to call a small amount, and it doesn't make for a particularly powerful bluff, as it doesn't convey a lot of confidence. If you're trying to slowly draw money out of other players, this can be useful (if you have the nut hand and want to get as many players pot-committed as possible to increase your win, for instance), and raising the same small amount during every betting phase can confuse your opponents, but you just might cost yourself a potentially bigger win by being conservative.
There's a huge amount of literature devoted to the subject of well-executed raises, and there's a lot of debate about how much you should raise. A common consensus in Texas Hold'em seems to be that when you want to raise before the flop, raise 3-4 times the big blind if there are no callers before you.
Re-raising
When someone places a bet and you then place a higher bet, you've re-raised, a move that indicates that you either have a strong hand or that you're bluffing. Either way, it indicates to opponents that you want them to believe that you have a strong hand. If you think that your opponent is bluffing when he or she raises, and that you have the stronger hand, then a re-raise is in order-- either your opponent will bow out, letting you take the pot, or you can gain the pot through having the stronger hand. Either way, you win.
Rescrit Fiscal Poker Chips
Just as raising presents a conundrum in terms of how much to bet, re-raising is challenging in the same way. Many sources agree that you should re-raise about three times the previous bet, plus any callers. If someone before you bets 300 and there are no callers, you would bet 900. If there was one caller, you would bet 1200 (900 + 300), if there were two callers, you'd bet 1500 (900 + 300 + 300), and so on.
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Check-raising
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Check-raising is an incredibly useful tactic that is employed in poker games all the time (especially games with heavy betting, like Texas Hold'em, Stud, and Omaha). When you check-raise, you check on a good hand (one that you could have safely raised on) and hope that someone who comes after you raises. Obviously, this only works if you have an early position. By checking, you imply that you have a weak hand, and other players are more confident about their own hands, which will often lead them to bid when they shouldn't. Once the other player has raised, you re-raise, which forces your opponent either to fold, which they probably won't, since they're already pot committed, or call with a hand that is probably weaker than yours. The check-raise offers players in early position the ability to slow play strong hands, which helps to even out the disadvantages of being in poor position.
